~S~ all. Last night I got the chance to talk with VPF_Duffy and learn a little bit about this system. It looks very interesting & seems like something we'd enjoy getting into as a squadron.
I'll be reading up a bit on the nuts & bolts of the system, but in the meantime Duffy has invited us to join in VPF's regular campaign mission(s) this Friday night, at 6:00 p.m. EST. Note: It would be a good idea to show up at least :30 early. I don't have any information regarding exactly which type of missions they'll be, but they will be set in the pacific, in the Midway area. It's intended to "get our feet wet," so-to-speak, so it promises to be fun.
VPF's Ventrilo Server Info:
TX1.LeetVent.com (port: 3834; no pw)
For those interested in exploring more about S.E.O.W, here's the link:
http://seow.sourceforge.net/
They have a "user's guide" there that I downloaded last night (but haven't had time to get into yet).
So, I'd recommend that we give this system a fair try. See you guys Friday!
Moggy
~S~ Moggy. If AH does fly S.E.O.W. Friday will someone take notes 'cause I have a concert Fri. and Sat. night. Thanks.
TD
S! Moggy! Did you say that was 6:00 pm Eastern? If so, it might be difficult for me to get in...usually with wife out grocery shopping, or other things.. (roll) kinda a have-to case, since I'm the only driver (for now). Does sound like fun though...hate to miss it :sad-056:
S~. Thanks for the post, Moggy. I'm pretty sure that's 9 EST. for mission load...try to report in about ahalf hour earlier to get situated.. but the idea this friday is to introduce us to the Scorched Earth format/protocol as well as give those that are interested a precursory walk through regarding the strateegeree involved and see how the ground task forces can be placed.
It sounds like a lot of fun to me. One thing i heard that i liked is that the missions are timed. the missions i heard about were set to 1 hour.
The only down side to that is.. if we all die in the first 15 minutes... the mission still has to run for the rest of the hour so that all of the ground forces can complete their objectives in order for the next mission to be a dynamic continuation..
and just to try and keep the confusion down.. we're gonna give er a go this friday.. but friday will probably not be the regular night for these missions.. right now we're leaning towards Saturdays or Thursdays.. please add a new connection to your Ventrilo, to the VPF ventrilo before Friday.. use the connection info supplied by Moggy in his post. i did and it worked.
(tongue)
OK ...... I'm pretty sure I understand this to be happening Fri. 30th at 9p.m. eastern. Will be there! It's going to be fun! A meeting of the minds. lol ~S~
S~.. i'm looking forward to finding out about the S.E.O.W., too.. From what i hear.. each side is able to enter in way points for their ships and ground forces while each side is unaware of what the other side is planning. On the face of it, it sounds like it should add lots of realism... which also means we may end up flying a mission with little or no enemy contact other than reconning some of the enemy's positions for the next mission.. or it could be a giant furball..
Yes (doh), it's 9:00 p.m. Eastern, not 6! Sorry!
Moggy
rgr Duffys a california boy....We also need to decide on settings, nite for campaign and such....they have in the past flown full real but I believe they have moved to externals
and Icons like us....personally I like the way we do things and saturdays are good for me....
Ring
I concur Ring, Sometimes "friendly icons only" is nice...................S!
This sounds like it could be really fun!
S~. From what i've been hearing on coms, Saturday looks like choice #1, with thursday as choice #2.
External views would be nice. i wouldn't mind seeing just a number and color for enemy icons.. just to be able to communicate to each other what we're targeting.. the low one.. the one that's turning.. just doesn't cut it for me. maybe have the number and color come in at about 2.5 k. ? friendlies.. maybe a little further out.. dots somewhere around 12? give or take a couple...i don't see dots too well anyway.. but some kind of identifier on the enemy would be nice...just a color and number is my preference for icons.
What about minimap? being able to see your plane on the map.. i kinda like being able to be lost...or minimap off...
also i was reading about the different modes that S.E.O.W can operate in.. the different modes allow ground forces to go off road or not.. also tells the ground forces whether they have to use bridges instead of being able to just go anywhere regardless of the terrain... from what i read.. Relaxed mode looks good.. the tanks and cars have to use bridges, but can also be given off road way points..
~S~ I was looking into the S.O.E.W. site and all the downloads that one must make but if you have such and such system this and/or that will not work so you will have to do this and/or that in order for this and/or that to work. I don't think this ol' jarhead can understand all that or if I have enough hard drive or memory left to handle it all. :help-sos-sos-29402:
TD
S~ TD.. i think all of that stuff isn't needed to fly the missions.. i think those downloads and things are for the host and the planners.. i believe you'll be able to participate without having to install anything.. not sure.. but i'm not expecting to have to install anything to fly.. only to be part of the tactical planning team..
Hiyas!
Although absent a lot lately.....I plan on being there. Scorched earth is cool. I was there when it started. I don't remember downloading anything.
CYAS,
Duff
S~ All. Had a good time last ngiht with the VPF guys and the S.E. missions. no download needed to fly the missions..
I was expecting more of a walk through, but either i was mistaken or it didn't happen onaccounta things got started just a tad late.. so we haven't set a day for the start of the S.E. campaign yet, or the settings, but we did agree on the New Guinea map.
We'll be discussing the settings at the meeting tomorrow. The S.E. missions almost require no external views since starteegeree and stealth are vital to success. that said, i'll add...I've always disliked flying with no external views..but i also dislike scrolling through enemy views trying to locate them. so our system of leving them enabled but not using the enemy view is perfect for me.. but i don't think it's reasonable to ask the VPF guys to trust us as much as we trust ourselves.. so that's not an option this time.
As my carcass was bobbing about in the ocean about halfway through the second mission..all i could do was look at the spot where i went down since there were no external views..well, as my torso began to swell up.. i came to a realization that it isn't the no external views setting that i really dislike so much.. it the no icons ..or extremely short icons.. that always seem to accompany the no external view setting. so if we can get some icons.. as i've mentioned just a color and number is my preference..it would be a lot more fun for me.. i can't see myself enjoying full real settings on any kind of sustained basis.
This format looks like a lot of fun.. now that we've seen a couple missions and how the stats and reports and the next missions are generated..it looks like something that might be a very good fit for us.
the main question is.. how many guys do not like to fly no externals.. or more directly.. would not fly the no external view missions? I won't fly them on a regular basis if there are no icons..or even super short icons... If too many of us have zero interest in flying with the no external view setting.. then we'll reconsider our involvement in the Scorched Earth format.
For myself.....
I flew with the FA for several years and left them because of three things:
1.) Although I appreciate Full Switch it gets very tiring and un-fun at times. You really have to work it. That's pretty much all FA flew.
2.) They were mostly EST and I was getting on just as they were going to bed.
3.) I found this squad the AH. This is the best most fun squad that I have ever flown with bar none and that includes two other SIMs WarBirds and Aces High (The SIM) :drinking-43:
Now then, I really had a good time last night. I do agree with BB. I need the speed bar and the Icons especially for friendly. We just can't look around or lean in the same fashion that the real pilots did. If everyone had TrackIR that might be different but everyone doesn't. Icons allow us to have some semblance of order and to fly and fight as a squad. The icons can be shortish but not ridiculous. As has been said before, without externals, when you're dead there's not much left but to leave which does help the game play for those still flying.
Plus ++
The VPF guys were very cordial and reminded me of us, The AH. Stats and Strat. Variety is the "Spice of Life"
Minus - -
The settings have to change to include Friendly Icons and SpeedBar. A good portion of this squad needs to want to do this.
Conclusion* *
I will fly anytime, anywhere, and with any settings with our squad.
OK, I really didn't see much difference between SE and the campaigns/COOPs we fly except the results/stats online. That's cool!
<Salute> Duff4r
:cool:
I enjoyed the scorched earth mission Fri. As you said BBQ the NO outside view is understandable for the reason of not being able to see where the enemy is during or after you are fly'n or not! Recon is the key in this style of campaign. As for the limited icons I can understand why some people who may not be use to it may not like it. But as everything it takes getting use to! I use to hate fly'n in cockpit. Quit the 31st for that reason. But got use to it and now rather fly it! As for short icons ....... likeing it more and more ..... probably why I do shorter icons when I host. Trying to get people use to it. I like the flight sims as realistic as possible! I give leaway when I adjust the icons because I know some people do like them. If it was up to me there would be none (realistic)but as I said I give leaway to the setting. Just a matter of giving it a chance and you will get use to it and in all reality prob prefer it after a while! Hope this doesn't come accross wrong but for the people who don't want to fly the scorched earth once a week for what ever reasons ..... so be it (roll). But I think there are a few that do! Being invited I will represent myself as an AH member (there mission and there settings) and choose to fly it and have fun doing so with an open mind! Again there are things I rather not do .... but do for the enjoyment of others. With that said I hope AH members will give the scorched earth a chance (open mind) and fly this New Guina map through out the whole campaign .... giving it a fair chance no matter what we do for settings! And hey if you dont like it .... will you did something for an AH member and not yourself. lol. There is always next time on the scorched earth mission style for it sounds like we might be adapting the campaign style in AH doing something ourselves in the not so distant future. Correct? Will that is all input I have. You can choose to fly it or not! But as an (AH) member I will fly it giving my fellow AH members who want ot fly it the respect they deserve (not thinking of myself). This is not directed towards any AH member ...... but the group as a whole!
Respectfully,
Cpt._AH_Rgaa (tongue)
*S* _AH_!
VPF_Darkcrest jumping in here, as I just noticed you had this thread going. I just wanted to jump in here and say, that it was a blast having you all come in and fly with us. It was a WHOLE lot of fun.
As far as setting up a regular Head to Head Campaign goes. I believe, I will be the VPF Mission Planner (Commander) for it. So, if you have a Mission Planner in mind already for this lemme know, and he/she and I can get together and discuss the Game Settings, the Map, etc. and start getting this all ready to go for a blast for each side.
Ohh. .. and as for externals. . . as long as there is an "Honor System" in place, I don't think the other VPF guys would have an issue.
Anyway, it was great having ya'll with us.
Strength and Honor!
VPF_Darkcrest (AKA Crash-n-Bury!)
S~ Thanks for stopping by, DarkCrest. We had a lot of fun flying with your squad as well.
We talked about it at our meeting yesterday and there is a good bit of interest in the S.E. format.
_AH_ Ring will be our main point of contact for this, as he seems to know you guys pretty well adn vice versa.. but Moggy will be our senior mission planner .. hope this doesn't throw a wrench in things.
we often use the honor system in regards to external views.. we simply don't scroll through the enemy views when historically there was no radar. Thanks for the offer of enabling them, but i'm thinking that no externals would be a better way to go for the S.E. missions.. as long as we can have some icons working.. just a number and a color appearing at about 2 to 2 and half clicks out... so that we can have a way to communicate to each other who's in or out on which target... and we also prefer padlock to be available.. if this is agreeable to the VPF then i think we can really have at it and have more fun than we're supposed to.
Ring was unable to attend yesterday's meeting, so may not have the latest info about all of this.. i'm expecting he'll see it here.. ask HQ about it if he has any questions and then get in touch with you.
Sounds great!
Next time I see Moggy on our Vent (or Vice Versa) we can start hammering out the details. As well as just HOW much of SEOW we want to utilize.
Can't wait to open a dialouge. Speaking of that, I'll be on Tuesday night around 6 or so for VPF's Tuesday night run of the Midway Campaign.
Until next time!
*S*
VPF_Darkcrest out.
:help2:
~S~ all.
Does anyone here in AH have the capability of setting up a MySQL server?
I'm attempting to set up the SEOW system, and the only two options for accessing the database therein are:
1. Use Microsoft Access (a $200.00 program now) to set up a local install. or
2. Set up our own MySQL server (anywhere on the internet).
Note: the MySQL software is a free download; what we need is someone with the expertise to set the server up (and have it running), then install the MySQL software.
Moggy
S~. yes. although i'm not the one to set it up...we have mysql available and i'm pretty sure we have at least one if not 5 or 6 guys that know how.
~S~ IS THAT ALL THERE IS??
It starts at 9 PM Eastern so you better be a little early so said the post. I can't believe what happened last night. I came on Ventrilo at 8:15 eastern and we finaly were airborn 10:30 eastern. Sat on the Carrier deck for 45 min. and then the whole program had to be e-mailed to someone else who had a stronger PC. Got it started again and re-planed and sat for another 20 min. while the picture jerked and jerked.
It was a night time mission. I headed our group out 325 degrees at 12000 ft for 30 min. turned around and flew back and landed on an unlit deck and that was it. The worst AH missions are twice as good as that thing last night. IS THAT ALL THERE IS?? If so.....well.
TD
No that is not all there is. Had some technical probs last night but was worked out. This is a realistic campaign. The first couple missions will be slow no doubt. But there will be missions were you see little to no combat and others that may at times be over the edge. Like in real life sometimes there are boring flights. (recon ..... especialy at the beggining). ~S~ all
S!! Fellas, I am working on this as we speak, give me two weeks and we should be ready to go, just a little busy with holidays, but I have the time after Christmas and tweaking the website for this company. So dont worry boys......!!
S!
S~. THanks, Tomtom. Check with Rumely and or Cobra.. They are both also seeing what they can figure out with it.. i am guessing you all might have bits and pieces for each other.
One consideration is that with the SEOW format, the server should be on always, or on a very reliable schedule.. part of the SEOW game is the players' ability to aid in the planning of the next mission by reporting any enemy locations, types and numbers they may have seen in the last mission on the SEOW website during the days leading up to the next sortie, it also displays to you what other pilots report.. so we'll want it to be available as much as possible. the AH server.. this one ..might be an option, too.. it's always on.. but it might be more trouble than it's worth.. trying to get it working there instead of the one you can actually reach out and thump with a hammer when it needs it.
Thanks for all the time and effort on getting it going guys.
the last couple VPF SEOW missions have had a few technical proglems that have in turn caused long wait times.. and the last one was a slide show for me, too.. a bit disappointing.. but don't get the wrong idea.. we have a plan to minimize the waiting..and the technical probs. can't say there won't be some.. there will always be a wait trying to get large games going.. and there will be technical problems some of the time..but the first couple SEOW missions i flew with the VPF weren't anything like the last one.. the most recent run at it was an unfortunate introduction to the SEOW format for a couple guys.
it's nothing that hasn't happened to some of our missions from time to time.. can't test for everything.. but for the guys that had their first go at the SEOW two nights ago.. that was an unusually long wait. i can confidently say that was not the norm.. we should be about the same time in the ready room as we are for any other campaign mission. and there's so much more to it.. almost too much to explain here..
but as briefly as i can..
in coops now.. the mission builder builds it, maybe puts in some ships, maybe some ground vehicles.. and maybe some bombers almost always fighters.. and then we go in and fly the fighters and bombers.. either attacking or defending the ships or ground targets the mission builder put in..the whole story planned by one guy..
in SEOW coops.. Each side gets to deploy their own equipment, direct their own ships and ground vehicles in addition to deciding how to fly it. and the next map is dynamically generated by the seow server results.. and we plan the next mission based on those results and the debrief reports that come in after the mission is over..
and there's MORE.. lol.. lots of bells and whistles that, on paper, look like a lot of fun.. recon planes that will give us recon photos.. if we guess correctly and fly them over or near the enemy.. if your captured, you might give up information, you might not.. lots of stuff that sounds like it will add a new dimension to the campaigns.. head to head campaigning.. it sounds too good not to.
try to forget about that last one.. it was an abormality.
~S~ BBQ. Does VPF have a web site? If so , can I have it? I now(thanks to BBQ as always)have their vitrilo connection.
TD
Quote from: _AH_tomtom on December 23, 2007, 03:45:05 AM
S!! Fellas, I am working on this as we speak, give me two weeks and we should be ready to go, just a little busy with holidays, but I have the time after Christmas and tweaking the website for this company. So dont worry boys......!!
S!
S! and thanks, TomTom: Not only for trying to get the SEOW server up and running, but for all you do here.
(standing at attention and saluting...)
Moggy
BTW, just in case there is any doubt, Rumely & Cobra: Please continue (er, expedite?) your efforts also. The sooner we get this thing up and running, the sooner we can start figuring out what the **** SEOW is all about. We're up against a start date of 1-22-08. Of course, we can always choose to go in blind & ignorant :help-sos-sos-29402: (nah, not really).
Moggy
S~. Latest report is Cobra has the seow web page working on his server.. no database plugged in yet. i'm hoping we'll actually end up with two fully capable servers available... just in case of a power outage or whatever..
Server guys.. Tomtom, Rumely, Cobra..again , thanks.. A LOT....and um... no one stop please.. we are working with a deadline and the sooner we can get em going the better.. sorry to ask all three, when we know we don't need three servers.. but the familiarity with the system will be a valuable asset as we go along even if we end up not using your server specifically....you'll more than likely end up adminning some of the time on whichever one we use.
i'm thinkin you all might want to get together and talk about the best way to get it all going with out overworking it. thanks again..
~S! All I think we have it up and running will have to tweak a few settings but we are almost there have a look http://rumely,dynip.com/MP4 (http://rumely,dynip.com/MP4)
We have to move the mission file as per FTP and then run the mission on the hosts machine, will retrieve the log file from the host machine and then drop it back to the SEOW server. Analyze the mission for the next build.
New Guine is running will have to set two side to have a test run will collaborate with Moggy on this
S~ Excellent, Rumely.. seems like all three are gonna be fully operational at about the same time..
thanks again to all you guys for the rush job.. right now it's looking like rumely's or tom tom's will be the primary.. with the other as a back up in case one is down due to a power outage or whatever it might be.. always nice to have a back up.. just need to see which is faster.. and Cobra's , being a local dedicated server.. will be used for experimenting.. possible tweaks for speed and lag reduction.. it's right there next to him so if it catches on fire he can get it put out and rebuilt fairly quickly.. plus he can hit it with a hammer if need be..
~S~ I tried to look at the http/ and got this;
Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage :help-sos-sos-29402:
TD
S~. it's probably being started and restarted and getting the tweaks Rumely was talking about.. so it's likely to be up and down for a day or so before it's always available. your computer is not broken, TD :happy-026: .
The SCEO server it up and running have a Stalingrad campaign running, have run a mission and posted the results back to the MP it is displaying the information. Have a look at the site, look for the link at the bottom Campaign Stats
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4 (http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4)
~S~ I was able to see it. Now if I knew what it all ment but, smarter heads will clue me in I know.
TD
Scorched Earth Campaign System
I have been able to establish this system and have a running template
"New Guinea" in the works. This tool provides many option for head to head play. Please spend some time and have a look at this site as it really explains the whole concept very well. http://seowwiki.swil.fr/index.php?title=Main_Page
You will have the ability to direct you ground forces and re-stock you supplies there is a lot of strategy and planning in the game concept. This does not mean you will have to spend hours and hours setting the missions up or planning them. You will just have a commander and a support staff to establish the battle plan. You will be able to go to a web site http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4 and log in and see the mission at hand.
~S!
Moggy and my self would like to setup a test mission to have a run with the system. Have the members log in and see how the system works. Your score will be posted after every mission, you will see your lost equipment on the planning map. There will be a place for Intel, to be submitted. Enemy target will be posted and there present condition will be reported.
Please not that this is still in the early days of testing the goal of this project is to have this system up and running for March Madness. Will split the squad into two groups and place a template in of choice.
This is also to get a better understanding of the up and coming VPF Squad meet.
I do understand that there are a lot of projects on the go at this time; please understand that this is not to take away from any of the other great projects happening in the squad at this time.
S~ Thanks, Rumely.
New Guinea
Green Desert LT
Test 5
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The Server is up and running for the Scorched Earth Campaign System, here are your passwords.
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4 (http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4)
Passwords
AxisHQ
AxisRanks river view only
AlliedHQ
AlliedRanks ohm view only
At this point I will only give you the read only passwords, as if you have the read and wright password you would be able to build a mission on the server. At that point I would run the SEDC system on the host machine to actually assemble the mission with the data that you have entered on the website.
There is a mission in the Q at this time. I would like to have this mission hosted and allow the SEDC on the host machine to analyze the mission after hosting, and post the scores back on to the website. just look for the link in the top of the page.
You may be wondering how the system is going to know your score, it assembles the information from the eventlog file in the game. Please do not leave the room until the host has ended the game for as your score will be lost. Any member of AH can host this mission as I will only need the eventlog after the mission to place on the SECS machine to read the file.
This is still in the testing phase and when we decide the system is ready and needed we will assign HQ passwords to the commanders. Setup two groups and launch the campaign.
Test Report for mission 5
AH_Rgaa was able to host this mission on Hyper Lobby this Jan,16 We ran the Kokoda mission that was completely generated by the SEOC system.
Rgaa was able to send the eventlog file back to the SEDCS after the mission was completed. At this point the SEDCS system was used to analyse this mission, post the scores and out come for each pilot in attendants. You can see the tally at http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4 just look for the Campaign Statistics link on the top left of this page.
This tool will be a lot of fun for the squad, as it adds a whole new concept to the word campaign as you will control your planes, tanks, recon information, and fuel consumption to score a victory. This much more then just a co-op or a dogfight missions it lends it self nicely to true mission planning in a big way.
I would like to thank AH_Rgaa for offering to host this test, AH_Moggy for supporting this project with his exceptional knowledge in mission building. But most of all to the members that flew the mission and were subjected to all the experimental OH I mean medical tests and drug testing :drinking-42: after the mission. BB were is your sample bottle? (kooky)
S~. Pretty cool stuff. great job getting it working.. my sample is arriving via fed ex tomorrow.
Can't wait for "March Madness '08!" :cool:
"Update" to the Campaign Statistics page this page is now running 100% error free. This is thank's to the support of IV/JG7_4shades at the SEOW forum. http://seow.sourceforge.net/ (http://seow.sourceforge.net/)
~S! from all the members of Aces High ! :drinking-42:
:cool:
Thanks all you Burned up Earth Dudes....for your efforts towards setting this thing up ... S!
S~,.. now that we've got one mission in the can.. what's the next step? do we need to have a commander for each side that can plan the next mission for his side? will we need any additional software to be a commander?
I feel at this time there is a lot of activity going on in the squad for scheduled events. We may want to address this further at the next general meeting. Moggy is working on the New Guine template at this time and I'm working on the Iwo Jima template. There has been some talk as to implement this into March Madness.
As for the question of additional software there is no additional software needed. There may an issue with a slow scrip error when loading the map but there is a easy fix for this.
Update have found this great little manual for SEOW system have a look www.aceshigh.ws/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get103 (http://www.aceshigh.ws/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get103)
There has been some interest generating about this project in the past week or two, so I decided to dust of the old S.E.O.W server and boot her up.
Here is the addy for the server have a look and pock around in there if you feel inclined to do so. Don't worry about breaking it these passwords and login's are view only.
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4 (http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4)
New Guinea campaign
Login; Password;
AlliedRanks ohm
AxisRanks river
S~. Too cool, Rumely.. thanks. I couldn't get into the iwo jima map, but the bew guinea map was worked great... reminds me of the ATC app we've been using.. i clicked on new guinea.. used the allied pw.. and woo hoo.. i clicked on the letter C...and i was zutozoomed into district C...saw some blue and white markers.. moused over em..whadayaknow? pop ups explaining what was there... couple allied airports,and the planes and armament is listed... boat landing area... for supplies i gotta figure..also has armament details listed in its' pop up..
on the left, you can click on scheduled mission..and it will tell you that too..
i went to a couple other districts.. found some enemy stuff at the north east end of the island... wouldn't tell me what they were gonna be doing.. but told me some of the stuff that was there..
as much as we like recon info for missions.. and doing some planning.. carrying out objectives,etc.. this seems like it should suit us quite well...you know.. strateeeegereee.
I'd like to start doing some heavy load testing on it..20+ live pilots...to see if it really will work..procced down a sample campaign trail...see if we can get 6 or so missions to work in succession and then we should have a good idea of what technical problems , if any, we're up against....
the obvious down side would include... if ya crash on take off, or lose joystick control or ketchup shoots out your nose obscuring your monitor.. gonna be a lot slower restart..if there is one.. and it's an hour long mission.. actually an hour's not bad at all.. unless ya crash on take off or some such thing.. little longer getting both sides briefed.. again not that bad.. the worst part i think might be the initial few missions where there may not be as much action as we're used to.. and playing head to head it can be harder to even the sides..
but i think if we fly a half a dozen of them with out a server crash... so we can proceed with the campaign, we'll find this to be a really entertaining way to play...lots of strateeegery going on..
S~
Hmm, first page looks nice, but I could not get past security. Do you have to wear a clown suit in order for the S.O.E.W. guard to let you in or donate a case of maple syrup?
~S!
That is good BBQ that you were able to get into the site an have a good look around. As for iwo Jima there is a different set of passwords for that campaign.
As for the views you were looking at, have a look at the drop down menu in the center top of the map screen you will see the; Request a district map menu select the Whole New Guines Sector and you will see the whole map.
You will now have a new menu open up to you at the center left of the screen. Click on the 1 Scheduled Mission, check the box and you will see your commanders waypoints for the up coming mission.
As for the loading on the server this will not be an issue as this program only builds the missions and tally's the score gathered from the hosts machine (SkaTT) after the mission is completed. The Host of the mission will upload the file FTP or just email it to myself.
At this point I would up load the eventlog file from the FB game folder to the Guine_eventlog folder on the SEDCS3.1 server. Analyse the eventlog and the scoreboard and map will be updated.
As for a test date, we should have two teams made up with two mission commanders, I would like to nominate Twenty and Moggy, as for my self I would be the Administrator for the server and the campaign, for the Admin will see both side of the map.
Try is know Spar as I was in the server at this end, to see it within my network i have to change the IP to an internal as this will shut down all inbound traffic. >>>>>>>>>> Yes Maple Syrup will work to >>>>>>>>
S~ just to be certain this isn't the problem.... username: AlliedRanks pw : ohm
Yes looks good to me the logins are case sensitive also
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4
Login; Password;
AxisRanks river
AlliedRanks ohm
S! Rum:
I could access the NG maps fine; but couldn't get into the Iwo Jima one.
Moggy
RGR That; The Iwo Jima has different passwords I was just testing that one out not much in there
Rumely, thanks for the information and all the hard work you are putting into this project. I am looking forward to viewing the maps.
Spar
This is a good read for the SEOW system, if you have some free time and would like to have a better understanding of this system here is the place to go.
http://seowwiki.swil.fr/index.php?title=Main_Page (http://seowwiki.swil.fr/index.php?title=Main_Page)
News Flash
There is an up and coming mission in the pipe, Stalingrad is coming to a close. We sent them packing boy's ! .............Great work Crash. :drinking-43:
Okay back to the main reason for the post, proposing a test mission for May 11 same time that Stalingrad has been run. I know you pilots will be looking for new targets. :help-sos-sos-29402:
This mission will be flown all as US pilots for this one time, as this will be a mission test for the pilots mostly. Will setup SEOW and post the new passwords with the mission briefs in place with the way points on the server. More info to follow very soon.
S~. cool beans.
Have setup a new test mission, I have also posted a pilots report with an image. Test it out and post your results
Login; AlliedRanks
Password; delta
To see the image you will have to click the link in the bottom of the Recent Reports screen see if you can find it.
Click on sector D you will see a set of binoculars on the upper left corner of the map. That will show you the information for the re-con information at that point. To see the image I have to click on the Logistics button on the left side of the screen. Click on the pilot report, then click on the link in the bottom of the report. You will see a new window open with the image in it.
Please be patient with the loading of the scrip for the site it may take up to a min to see the whole map.
PS there is know a link on the main web page to the S.E.O.W under Scoreboards last link SEOW Campaign
S~. i couldn't get in. 'invalid credentials'.
Yes you are right have corrected the password :thinking-008: error
S~. ok i can get into the new guinea map now. i even found the pilot report in sector D .. nice recon photo. :happy-016:
a couple notes.. Internet explorer works much better than firefox for this website.. there's a known issue with the SEOW website scripts, the good news is.. there is a fix.. i think rumely may have posted the article somewhere..if not here it is again.. http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B175500&x=12&y=11 (http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B175500&x=12&y=11)
pretty simple.. yet mildly terrifying if you're not comfortable editing the registry..and of course there's always that one bit of info they leave out in the instructions.." change the dword value to the desired number" i did some experimenting and found that the error would go away when i set the desired number talked about in the MS article to 3000000. yes three million.
if you want any help with the script error fix.. let me know..
We have changed the start date from May 11 to May 18.. don't forget to call your mom on may 11...
Twenty I was able to see your pilot report that you posted last night out in the sea, by Port Moresby. The mission that I have placed on the MP last night I have build the mission last night, ran the mission off line good results with the mission. Did not analyze the mission would like to run it off line with you and Moggy first............... any other members are welcome to join in if you like, may be on later tonight if the Honey (roll) do list is not in the cards for me
Thank you for the test mission last night Skat, the mission ran very well at my end with no lag. I have a funny feeling that the rice eaters are going to get there rice balls :surprised-041: handed to them.
Will re-set the server this Sunday and let Moggy and Twenty lose on the map to plot the next mission.
Skat can you send me your event log from the last mission before Sunday and I will post the mission states on the MP page.
If any one had any issues with the mission last night please post (6)
S~. I didn't have any problems in last night's test run.. had a little bit of lag for the first minute or two while it finished loading..saw some planes slide sideways down the runway as they took off.... but by the time i was rolling.. all good. :happy-016:
ps... those round eyes will die like dogs!.. and if not.. well.. we can just say we were going for historical accuracy...
everything ran well for me too with exception to the startup lag, and on my screen it showed me getting credit for 2 bombers yet the stats only showed one. i could be wrong on this and im sure my wife could testify on my lack of being right most of the time, but i really thought i killed 2 bettys
other then that one thing, all went great and im really looking forward to this
~S~ I guess I just don't now and probable never will understand why we never fly leader/wingman. If and I say IF this is like it says it is then I will never survive 'cause I am just out there flying around by myself and get picked like a chicken very early, so if it runs 90 min. I can take a nap and come back later. Not much fun out there alone.
Scoring for the SEOW system was not able to read the event log from the mission that Skat had run the other night. Ran the mission at my end of line and was able to read the file and post the scoring, if you look at the SEOW site that is why you will not see your information listed for the mission, if you did fly the mission with Skat.
This is a small problem as I have run a successfully mission in the past with Rgaa and Moggy, the problem leis with the event log setting in the config file. The setting for the event log must be set to over wright every time a new mission is run to work correctly. I know Shat has removed all the other game information from the log before it was send, but there must be a line of code that is missing for the SEOW program.
This is just a test mission not intended to be anything more then that, I'm sure the flights will be much more structured when the mission is set up to run, :lol-029: for the money shot.
S~ Sounds like an easy problem to fix, Rumely..
TD, in the game, with icons set as we fly them, and with the overly restrictive view from the cockpits, if i look away from my wingman for thirty seconds, chances are i won't see him when i go to look for him again.. BUT i usually manage to find the herd and pair up with some one else for a bit. till i check my gauges or position on the map again...
most often it happens when i'm engaged..either my wingman was also attacked and had to turn to defend himself, or my wingman will simply break off with a comment such as.. i don't want to lose my altitude.. i'm staying up here(as i dive in on an enemy).. if we're separated and if i happen to survive it.. it's not unusual to not see any one else around.. at that point i generally head back to the way path and continue along it while listening and trying to figure out where everyone else has gotten to.
most of the time i use my external friendly padlock button to keep an eye on where my help is, but sometimes i wait too long between checks and find myself alone...
When i find myself alone, i look at it as my having flown away from the pack, not the other way around..
I'm with ya TD as we both know where we came from.
As I see it BBQ is more than right. One of the things that happens when flying against the AI is they seem to be all-knowing a good deal of the time and can vector into us from all directions. Also the quantity of the AI is sometimes based on enough to make the mission Target Rich. Many times I am doing a good job of winging when we encounter the first dozen, it's the next dozen that cause the whole wing-thing to evaporate or as BBQ said you're trying to clear your wingman and in turn get pounced upon by 8 more!
Possibly the solution is to be more historical and you can help here. If 4 elements left, 16 planes, how many would you normally run into? Or in general when you took off on a mission how many pilots left the base or the carrier? How many enemy would you encounter when you did encounter?
It's very tough for the mission builders to estimate? My point here is instead of the mission builders attempting to provide a Target Rich environment build to a more historical enemy ratio. I for one have no problem with 16 of us leaving and not encountering anything or say 4-6 planes instead of the 24 to 30. I like the ICONs and the path but not the waypoints with paths that have the AI continually vectoring in on them and us. There is much fun to be had in discovery. Maybe the mission planners could make it more realistic such that the enemy would be scrambling in response to our attack and not always be at mega altitude waiting for us. Example: You once told me that the Japs never flew much above 8000 feet because the didn't have usable oxygen. This should be factored into Pac missions. Enemy "dot ranges" and enemy Icons should be set for more realistic visibility based on the 19" monitors MOST of us have.
TD, as we know, Warbirds was much more arcadish in flight model, yet as in the S3's, much more realistic in numbers and combat.
Stuff like this could/would improve our ability to use historical wingman tactics. I believe Historically wingmen were the coverer's not the killers unless good combat tactics reversed the roles. Correct?
While I'm pontificating here.....I fly In-cockpit only and NEVER use the "enemy views". My choice solely. If I use external view it's only momentary and to help reproduce the ability we should have to "lean" around the Cockpits. Aces High, the SIM game, models this with and without TrackIR but one of the few things it does well!
Good topic but Enough from me! Just some thoughts and Ramblings.
Appologies if I trod on any of the mission builders awesome and appreciated efforts. It is not intentional.
Duff4r
Some interesting points, Duff4R!
Hmm, Japanese with no "usable" oxygen? That would've come as a surprise to the Betty crews that regularly hit Henderson from 25,000' plus (after being forced upstairs by VMF-223's Wildcats).
Re wingman tactics, they will never work the way things are set currently. First off, nearly everyone here is hunting points. Not a criticism on my part; just a fact. And, nothing wrong with that, as that seems to be how we judge folks' abilities. In real life, a wingman had one primary responsibility: keeping his leader's six clear. Period. They didn't have enemy external views, padlock, and icons to help them. If we were to fly full-switch, I'd bet you'd see much closer leader-wingman cooperation, because neither would survive without it. But, with the settings we fly, you can instantly tell where the nearest few enemy planes are without looking around, via "external padlock, enemy air." No need for a wingman to tell you, no need for any Track IR, and there is little chance (uh, unlike real life!) of being surprised by an enemy from behind and/or above. It takes iron discipline to stick with a flight leader through a mission. And, as you won't be scoring any "points" for it, it isn't likely to be a popular habit.
Since we're on the subject of S.E.O.W., I'm going to lobby for either:
A) A binding "gentleman's agreement" not to use "Next Enemy View" or
B) No external views at all
We've all flown with no externals before (in the WW inter-squad missions). I think we should talk about this as a squadron and come up with what we think will work best.
S~. I'm all for no scrolling through the enemy views... i rarely if ever use that anymore until after i'm dead... i do use the external padlock once they're in close though.. friendly as much as enemy...pretty much the way Duff4r says he uses his.. just a check over the shoulder. and back into the cockpit.. and there is the occasional chase view where i'll stay there for as long as it takes to at least make a reasonable guess as to where i am on the map. otherwise i'm having to roll my plane quite a bit just to see enough of the ground to be able to spot a couple of landmarks..
Icons.. will always be up for debate.. to me.. not being able to tell if a plane is coming at you or not, and not being able to id enemy or friendly until i'm within 100 yards is about as unrealistic as it gets.. makes it entirely arcadish for me. i guess the other side of the coin is.. 'there weren't icons in real life'.. but they weren't sitting in their living rooms and basements looking into a 2D screen in real life either.. how far out you prefer icons and exactly what should show up when? As a group we have varying opinions.. all with their valid points.
And the other age old debate... playability versus historical accuracy... i for one don't mind a half hour flight to the target.. but i don't want to fly for three or four hours off of a carrier to get to a target.. and i don't want to fly three or four missions in a row with no enemy air contact... this one is a constant debate cuz there is no one answer for what settings are the most realistic.. it's all a matter of opinion and what various nuances of the game interest you the most.
Could different settings be a help in learning better wingman skills? maybe.. full switch would help? well.. looking on my past experiences with it...i end up spending more than half the time just trying to stay on course, much less near anyone. and if i am trying to follow some one.. as soon as they/we're engaged.. i can't tell who is who after the first turn. let's just say any time i've flown locked in to the cockpit for more than 45 minutes.. it always feels like i would have had more fun flying off line.
Actually i think we have enough guys that aren't that interested in points that we would have enough guys willing to volunteer to be winging and not leading.. BUT not if that means every night.. andi don't think we would be able to have specific winging pairs on account of so many guys don't fly every night... if two guys fly three or four nights a week each it's likely one or two of those nights for each would not be the same night.. so it doesn't take much for a pair to both not be there on the same night...
I'm thinking we could try something along the lines of this: maybe one or two missions a night for starters.. we call it as a wingman mission or whatever we want to call it.. but for that mission.. let's say the mission is showing us the typical four man flights.... if you take an odd number.. you're a wing lead.. if you're even, you're wingman.. everyone pair up and do it as best we can... i think part of the problem is comms though.. there would be a lot more comms activity and we would need to split out to different channels for it to be effective... i think it's worth a try...
a mission or two a night where you DON"T leave your wing lead... even if there are 40 zeroes swarmin ya..lol
o yea.. icons and settings... carry on with the discussion.. opinions change.. and there's obviously no one set of settings that will make everyone happy at the same time.. so i like the way we have it now.. they vary.. i've said it before.. if i had made the game you wouldn't be able to play the same settings twice in a row...
~S! Here is a tentative list for pilots, for the up and coming SEOW mission on May 18. Please have a look and post your intent to fly this set of four test mission a simple in or out will do.
As for the setting for these mission the min map path will be on with standard icon settings
Aces High S.E.O.W. Test
Team Roster Draft (Ver 1.1)
5-5-08
Allied Moogy's round eyes
MOGGY, JACK, JOHNNY, FOXBAT, HOGAN, RING, VIPER, CRASH, RGAA, DEVIANT, MOBY, STIFFY, OLDS, NIMBLE
Rebel, Cobra, Baranth, Marius
Axis Twenty's rices balls
TWENTY, SLIKK, TBULL, SPARDOG, SHRTAPRCH, MUTLEY, SKATTRASH, GATOR, BBQ, TD, DUFFY, DARKWOLF,DUFF4R, RUMELY, GONZO
Freak, Rezak, Raider, Ghost
Good luck to both sides the passwords will be sent out to your commanders late Sunday......... Stand By for more details........ Rum Out !
S~.. IN
IN....S!
S! Rum:
I wonder if it would be possible for you to alter the test template a little more, in the following order of priorities:
1. Change the # of a/c in flights assigned to each base to allow single-plane flights (e.g., at Wards airdrome I might want to send a single B-24 on a recce or bombing mission). IIRC, when assigning missions, if a flight has 4 a/c assigned to it, you can't merely pick a single plane to fly a mission -- you have to take the entire flight. Making flights of 1, 2, 3, and 4 a/c of each type present at a base might make this easier. (For both sides, of course).
2. Would it be possible to delete all the other ground units on the map, except those that we're going to use in sectors A-C? Or, are you leaving them in deliberately to "test" things?
Thanks, bud.
Moggy
IN.......im with ya Moogy :lol-029:
Dee Dubb and Gonz on the wrong side?, write yer wills boys...........S!
Quote from: _AH_Col._Hogan on May 10, 2008, 08:13:59 PM
Dee Dubb and Gonz on the wrong side?, write yer wills boys...........S!
On the other hand:
Foxbat and Johnny on the
right side!? Hmm; wonder just whose wills will be filed first?
I'm in!!
D
S! Rum:
Can't seem to log onto the server. Have you changed the passwords?
Moggy
The server has been re-set and the passwords have been sent out to your commanders please report to your assigned commanders for you login information.
If you need your placement in the system please look below in this thread and you will see your side and commanders name
The server was rebooted earlier today up and running and this time.
Aces High S.E.O.W. Test
Team Roster Draft (Ver 1.1)
5-5-08
Allied Moogy's round eyes
MOGGY, JACK, JOHNNY, FOXBAT, HOGAN, RING, VIPER, CRASH, RGAA, DEVIANT, MOBY, STIFFY, OLDS, NIMBLE
Rebel, Cobra, Baranth, Marius
Axis Twenty's rices balls
TWENTY, SLIKK, TBULL, SPARDOG, SHRTAPRCH, MUTLEY, SKATTRASH, GATOR, BBQ, TD, DUFFY, DARKWOLF,DUFF4R, RUMELY, GONZO
Freak, Rezak, Raider, Ghost
Rumely,
Never got any password for the SEOW ....... S! :help-sos-sos-29402:
S~. Contact Moggy for Allied side logon info to SEOW.. contact twenty for Axis info... see Rumely's post if you don't know which you are.
You all should have your login and password for the site by know,If you did not get your password yet for SEOW please PM me and I will send it to you
The commanders have plotted their missions for the day. All pilots please login with your assigned login information if you would like to see the flight plan, looks like we are a go for this Sunday.
Rumely will be generating the mission Sunday morning, after this point the MP planner will show mission in waiting. Holding for the host.
Skatt I will send you the mission Sunday after noon after a off line test run.
Good luck to all :drinking-29:
~S~ Rum. As usual I am all lost again. I know(think) I am with 'Twentys rice bowls' but I have no assigned login information. Where do I get that ?
S~ Check your mailbox, TD. the one in your computer, not the one out by the road.. that would be kinda creepy if i put it in your mailbox at the end of your driveway.
Mission has been built and is ready to go see you all tonight ~!
:happy-112: rgr, rgr Rum .... ty
The Missions for both side is ready to be built, you can login and have a look at the way points. The mission has not been built as of yet. will be standing by on that as it is a long weekend for you all, may hold back on this one for a week as you are all out having fun in the sun. :happy-119:
S~.. yes it is a holiday weekend.. not sure if we'll have enough guys or some one that can host.. .. thanks, Rumely.. i'm thinking we'll make the call later this evening...
S~ Judging frrom the number of guys online tonight. and taking into account a couple of other considerations.. the SEOW mission is postponed to next week..
S~. Attention Riceballs (Axis SEOW pilots)
Our mission plan, operation " The cross eyed clown gets a second date with the congenitally joined twins because the dwarf with the speech impediment and mismatched socks is paying them for it" , is viewable on our seow website..
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4/Scripts/default.php (http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4/Scripts/default.php)
Don't know how long it's gonna be there.. once it merged or loaded or whatever it is that happens.. it will no longer be available.. that usually happens sometime later today.
sorry for the short notice..it was my first time using the seow mission builder.. ran into a few snags..BUT.. if you don't get a chance to have a look at it before it's gone.. i can fill you in when we're loading up and heading out sunday at 9 PM EDT.
Thanks for the help, Twenty and Rumely.
~S! Will leave it up until Sunday afternoon ......... :idiot-0011:......boy I made a boo boo last night after our SEOW leader slaved over the mission planner for many an hour I hit the wrong button last night and sent the first mission into hyper space :surprised-041: Went down to the computer this morning to see BBQ had replaced the missing mission. I owe you big time THANK YOU THANK YOU
Yes BBQ any thing you want clean the bunk house make pancakes ...........ok almost any thing
S~.. No worries, Rum.. you've got lots of slaving away hours piled up yourself..as so many around here do..
The commanders have posted there missions, please login and have a look. This is the last mission in the New Guine Mini Campaign, I feel it has been a very positive run for this system. As for the SEOW system I will leave it up for a week after this mission, and then will be shutting it down for updates and summer vacation.
I would like to bring the system back online in the fall and setup a full campaign with a new map of choice.
Your input is always welcomed positive and negative
~S!
S~. THanks, Rum.. Please remember we've changed the mission launch time for this slightly.. We want to hit the fly button at 9:30 pm EDT. Brief will begin at about 9.
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4/Scripts/default.php (http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4/Scripts/default.php)
and just in case you hadn't heard, here's a link to the stats for the SEOW missions:
http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4/Statistics/MP-Statistics.php (http://rumely.dynip.com/MP4/Statistics/MP-Statistics.php)
lots of details there. If you're using Firefox, i have read that the SEOW website is not really firefox friendly.. IE is a better choice for that one.. even though IE needs a fix... ( see below)
i think it's been working as advertised...really well done, Rum.. might be a few that haven't gotten the Internet Explorer fix in yet so they can see the maps before the missions.. but that's manageable.
THis particular fix is a known issue at Microsoft and Microsoft supplies the how to fix it in their help and support center, here: http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B175500&x=12&y=11 (http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B175500&x=12&y=11)
problem is, it's a registry edit, which is not within a lot of people's comfort zone... it cleared the error for me. Don't be shy about asking for help with it.. always happy to help with that kind of thing. the other option is to 'click through' a bunch of errors every time you load a map to view it at the SEOW site.
Fall sounds kinda far away though.. i was expecting we would be running it during the summer.. please reschedule your vacation (6) thanks for all the work you've put in on it, Rumely... and every one that has taken part, for your patience while we fumbled around a bit with it.
Yes fall is far far, away for you it is only six weeks away up here in Canada :lol-034: okay maybe that is not soo funny for me :sad-056:
The Last SEOW mission has been build. Will see you later tonight.
Hope to be in for a Fathers Day SEOW...............S!
Just thought I would bring you all up speed on the new map being inserted into the SEOW server. Moggy, Twenty and my self are working on a project to place the new English Channel map into the SEOW server.
At this time I'm working on the files for the MP planner to place the map pics into the server. Moggy is working on the way points for the data base upgrade. Twenty will be helping were needed at this time.
Really Rum? That could make my day (for the Mighty Eighth campaign).